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CPA Advice

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 3:32 pm
by certified sane ... ct-for-cpa

Another reason to keep kicking the dead dog

Re: CPA Advice

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:09 am
by JWheldon
Again this is interesting. Have anyone seen the 2017 financial accounts for CPA Australia Advice yet? ... ct-for-cpa

CPA’s licensing business is increasingly raising serious questions about the association’s eligibility as a monitoring body under the federal government’s incoming education requirements.

The new standards, to be set by the Financial Adviser Standards and Ethics Authority (FASEA), will apply to those licensed to provide financial advice from 2024.

As it stands, to provide financial advice under the new guidelines, you have to be a member of a monitoring body.

Monitoring bodies may be professional associations, but they cannot be an Australian Financial Services (AFS) licensee, or an affiliate of a licensee. CPA Advice, a licensee, is a subsidiary of CPA Australia.

If CPA Australia is not recognised as a monitoring body, its members who provide financial advice will need to join another organisation that is approved as a code monitoring body to be compliant. At this stage, it’s unclear which organisations will be recognised, as the code of ethics is still under development.

This friction has been the subject of debate in the profession since the new laws were released in early 2017. However, as guidance from FASEA continues to roll out, licensing and compliance experts are increasingly questioning how CPA Australia will remedy this potential conflict.

CPA Australia has been aware of the issue since the legislation was first issued for consultation, and has been working on a fix since that time.

“We understand that associates of an AFS licensee cannot act as a monitoring body to enforce a code,” a spokesperson for CPA Australia told Accountants Daily.

“It is something that we have been, and will continue to be in discussion about with relevant stakeholders. In the meantime, the sector is looking forward to the release by ASIC of guidance on the framework for the monitoring bodies,” the spokesperson said.

The spokesperson also stressed CPA Australia is broadly supportive of the new measures.

“CPA Australia supports the introduction of the requirement for all relevant providers to comply with a Code of Ethics and be covered by a scheme,” the spokesperson said.

In addition, some members have voiced their angst about CPA Australia’s lack of communication on issues related to the matter, particularly in relation to its RG146 Compliance Solution being shut down in response to the incoming guidelines.

RG146 Compliance Solution, a training program designed to meet the competency requirements of ASIC’s financial advice guidelines and standards, will be retired by December this year.

CPA Australia confirmed the phaseout in its candidate handbook late last year. Accountants Daily understands several training providers in the market have had to reconsider their offerings in response to the new guidelines.

However, CPA Australia is satisfied members have been appropriately informed of changes to its training, given the new standards the association requires to adjust its training offerings are not yet finalised.

“Along with other providers, we’re working on transitioning our offer to meet the new education standards which will come into effect from 1 January 2019. Those standards themselves are a work in progress as FASEA works to determine just what the new requirements will look like,” the spokesperson said.

Troubled history

CPA Advice was central to the problems the association had with securing a professional standards scheme last year, which provides liability coverage for members in public practice. The Professional Standards Council (PSC) authorises the schemes and was, at the time, concerned by a potential conflict of interest the licensing arm posed.

CPA Advice has also struggled from its launch in 2015 to attract members and meet its business projections.

If the current pace continues, there is little chance CPA Advice will reach its projected 1,360 authorised representatives by 2019. As of June last year, it had onboarded 27 representatives, well short of its targeted 250 by year end.

CPA Advice was granted an Australian Financial Services Licence (AFSL) and Australian Credit Licence (ACL) only about three months out from the expiration of the accountants’ exemption, which was a key motivator for accountants to get authorised under an AFSL.

CPA Advice also reported a combined trading loss of $7.4 million in November 2017 since its inception.

As per the recommendations of former auditor-general Ian McPhee’s report into the corporate governance and structure of the association last year, CPA Advice is currently undergoing a review.

Re: CPA Advice

Posted: Thu May 24, 2018 10:01 pm
by JWheldon
For members interest,

It appears that CPA Australia Advice now only has 37 members signed up and five who were signed up but have now ceased being associated with CPA Australia Advice.

19 members signed up in 2016 and still joined

17 members signed up in 2017 and still joined

Only signed up one members for 2018

Any way you look at it. CPA Australia is paying PWC to simply confirm what the rest of the membership already know. CPA Australia will not make a profit and will not return a profit by the target date set by the previous board, nor return the $20 million already injected into this business.

So, as one member has already stated, why continue to pay PWC to do something we already know? ... 127dbbc869

AFSL no 482657 ... lia-advice
article published 6 April 2018

Big four firm PwC has been appointed to review CPA Australia’s struggling licensing arm, which has lost millions to date and continues to pose regulatory conflicts.

PwC will review the business operations of CPA Australia Advice, including its rationale, conduct, business case and competitiveness for the immediate and long term.

This is in line with recommendations from former auditor-general Ian McPhee’s report into the association and its subsidiaries last year.

“Until the review is complete and the report is received and considered, the directors will continue to operate CPA Australia Advice in accordance with the existing operating structure,” CPA Australia said in a statement to members this afternoon.

CPA Advice has struggled from its launch in 2015 to attract members and meet its business projections, and reported a combined trading loss of $7.4 million in November 2017 since its inception.

It’s also an ongoing regulatory impediment, being central to the problems the association had with securing a professional standards scheme last year, which provides liability coverage for members in public practice. The Professional Standards Council authorises the schemes and was, at the time, concerned by a potential conflict of interest the licensing arm posed.

Currently, CPA Australia Advice is raising questions about the association’s eligibility as a monitoring body under incoming education requirements for accountants providing financial advice. Members who provide advice will need to join another approved code monitoring body to be compliant if CPA Australia does not have its recognition status approved.

Re: CPA Advice

Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 12:10 pm
by Stomper
Have a look at my thread on the CPA Australia Advice Pty Ltd financials....

Re: CPA Advice

Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 10:11 pm
by JWheldon
Thanks Stomper. CPA Australia board, don't want members to really have a look at CPA Australia Advise. They don't want to disclose the financial accounts to the membership.

Re: CPA Advice

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:43 pm
by JWheldon
Looks like the wheels are falling off CPA Australia Advice.

The number of registered financial advisers under its licence, are continuing to decrease,not increase. The writing is clearly on the wall for this organisation. I wonder how many thousands of dollars it will cost the members to pay PWC to advise that CPA Australia Advice should be closed????? I know a lot of graduate accountants and even public practitioners that would probably charge a substantial cheaper rate to make a recommendation about CPA Australia Advice. Would have though that given one of the board members was a professional liquidator and reconstruction adviser, and others that are professional auditors, that they would have the professional experience to review the situation and make a recommendation. Maybe they don't get paid enough in director fees to make these type of decisions?????????

Have the advisers linked to CPA Australia Advice, already been told that CPA Australia will cease to fund to this organisation or have other sources already told advisers that the PWC review will result in the closure of CPA Australia Advice????? Has PWC already concluded its review, and CPA Australia is sitting on the results??????? Wasn't PWC appointed to the review CPA Australia Advice in April 2018???? The number of advisers registered under CPA Australia Advice AFS Licence 482657, shows a reduction in member numbers. If this business had to stand on its own, then it would close tomorrow. The management and board of CPA Australia Advice, were overpaid, and operating costs were to high and substantially insufficient funds generated from the membership. If the membership numbers don't substantially increase then the board of CPA Australia have no option, but to shut it down, regardless of what PWC advices. What a waste of membership funds, to pay PWC thousands of dollars to advise a board, who should have the accounting skills to already make the decision. So what is the point of having a board of so called over qualified, experts, when they need to waste thousands of dollars on getting external advisers to do something, that several of the board members, do as part of their normal day to day activities????????

The result does not look good for those financial advisers that are still associated with CPA Australia Advice. What do others thinks ... 127dbbc869

Re: CPA Advice

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:16 pm
by Stomper
"What do others thinks"
It should have been closed 2 years ago....

1. Not in accordance with Objects
2. A Leyland P76 not a BMW
3. Economically f***ed
4. At odds with Certification
5. Members have cheaper better alternatives

Where do I send my invoice?

Re: CPA Advice

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:43 pm
by cpasteve
Just a heads up and call to arms. Andrew Conway CEO of the IPA and Ron Lesh from BGL are having a crack at having the accountants exemption reinstated. It's a long shot, but good on them for having a crack. It's what our professional bodies should have been doing three years ago rather than setting up CPA Advice. Anyway, they're asking for comments, thoughts, support. If you have anything to say about it email

And spread the word amongst your colleagues and discussion groups. If we get a bit of support around this who knows what could happen...

The Future of Financial Advice legislation introduced on 1 July 2016 saw the removal of the accountant’s exemption, thus preventing many members, not licensed under the new regime, from providing any financial advice relating to self-managed superannuation.

Whilst the IPA fought to maintain this exemption, the government rejected our efforts.

We believe it is in the best interests of our members and the public that we take up the gauntlet once more.

From a public interest perspective, we believe this is about ensuring that people have access to affordable financial guidance, particularly to help them secure their future financial and retirement planning. As such, we believe our members are in the best position to provide financial guidance of this nature to their clients.

In the recent roadshow around our Divisions, many members have raised this issue with me personally. I will be conducting face to face meetings with our Divisional Advisory Committees over the next week where I will be seeking further guidance directly from members to inform our approach.

We have issued a public statement to signal our intention to advocate for the return of the accountant’s exemption. The statement can be viewed here.

I welcome any input or feedback via email to

Andrew Conway FIPA FFA

Re: CPA Advice

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 3:49 pm
by JWheldon
Maybe now both CPA Australia and ICANNZ will join forces with IPA as they should have done in the past, and kept fighting with government to reinstate the accountants exemption. Oh forgot, they do have a joint body of representatives from IPA, CPA Australia and ICANNZ, unfortunately they are more concerned with other issues, it appears.

It is very clear, that the current regime is not working and even ASIC can see the large number of advisers that are having problems with regards to their compliance. ASIC would probably like to see the exemption reinstated, yet they would never says this. The compliance costs for accountants and ASIC, makes its totally unrealistic to continue in this current direction. The new funding model for ASIC, with users to pay more, will make it even more expensive to operate as a financial adviser etc and less attractive for many public practitioners to get involved in this area.

It is extremely disappointing, that representatives on the CPA Australia Public Practice Committees and state presidents around Australia, have not made any comment in this space, nor been very vocal about this problem. Who is representing the thousands of public practitioners around Australia? Is it left to the ICANZ or IPA or even the NTAA??? Maybe CPA Australia, needs to spend more money on consultants to advise them what to do next, because it appears the only constant decision, that the board of CPA Australia have been able to decide upon in recent times. What advise or recommendations, have the so called experts within CPA Australia thought of? Maybe, will have to wait until the next issue of "Intheblack" is released?

Previous management and board members of CPA Australia, have indicated that they tired to have the accountants exemption reinstated with no success. Times change, and so do governments, so keep trying, as the current system is not working.

Re: CPA Advice

Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:00 pm
by JWheldon
CPA Advice is down to 28 members. Sounds like the remaining members didn't get the memo about CPA Advice closing.

So how much to do you think CPA Australia Advice will lose for the period 1 January 2018 to 31 December 2018?

CPA Australia boards have been successful in losing money, feathering the nests of the management team and board members and ex-board members. Unfortunately the general membership are only good for paying for the excess, the waste, and the lack of accounting focus.

Even the teaching of accounting is been put under threat with silly accounting standards, reduction in disclosure in financial reports and even watering down Statement of Accounting Concepts and accounting standards. It appears the production of the the financial reports may be a waste of time, as the end users will never understand the reports, nor really need to understand the information produced. All they need is a summary. Sounds like the era of cut and paste accounting is here.

Are the basic principles of accounting or even producing a set of accounting reports which are useful to the end users relevant any more?