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Chance to quiz the ringmaster

Let's look in detail at our directors individually so the term 'the board' does not minimise their individual responsibility for decisions made and oversight in relation to many of these issues.
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Re: Chance to quiz the ringmaster

Post by nakedadmin » Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:58 pm

Hi The Cyclist,

Glad to hear you're not too worried about the thinly veiled threat but have a think about that one. I personally think he should be sacked on that alone.

Anyway, it's a good point you make about all the contradictions. It's like CPA Australia is performing so well because it has a big fat surplus. But CPAA Advice has a dismal loss with so little revenue it looks doomed and yet it's a great thing. If any part of CPA Australia is a business that is it. Members have voted with their feet on that one. Then claim that he is great at business.

No competitor then get's upset that CA advertised in the AFR near and article about CPA Australia. It's not rocket science by the way, you know there are more articles coming. I mean put in a thinly veiled threat to do some unspecified godfather like bad thing to a member that's worse than implying they have a medical condition on national radio. Hmm that wouldn't get a comment in the media, duh.

Then support free speech. I mean this website was registered in Iceland because of the freedom of speech laws in Iceland.

Then get upset about pseudonyms even though the CPA Australia privacy statement supports them. And for good measure suggest that the members of this website are not courageous at the same time you pretend to be the godfather and say haha :lol: I know who you are and I can act undignified.
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Re: Chance to quiz the ringmaster

Post by The Cyclist » Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:45 am

So happy to see Alex supports free speech .
I've been moderated again :lol: ! And you'd think that given its such a popular TV show that he would simply love a review. Apparently not.
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Re: Chance to quiz the ringmaster

Post by The Nude CPA » Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:48 pm

It was always coming, but they were a bit slow on that one... I guess they've currently got a lot of moderating to do! :lol:

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Re: Chance to quiz the ringmaster

Post by theallseeingeye » Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:51 am

Jfa220854 wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:24 pm
The all seeing eye is very experienced. I think you are correct. Board crisis management 101.
Well, based on Alston's and Ryan's resignations, I would suggest the rest of the Board is hunkering-down to protect their golden goose. ie. the second option I proposed upthread. They need to get their heads out of the sand. It is going to deeply damage the CPA brand and their personal reputations if they do not act swiftly to restore confidence.

Will be interesting to see if Alston's resignation undoes the recent closure of nominations for open board positions.... hope so. Be interesting to see if the nominations are stacked, wont it? Alan Jones or Greg Medcraft for CPA board, anyone ? :roll:

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Re: Chance to quiz the ringmaster

Post by The Nude CPA » Thu Jun 08, 2017 2:10 am

Maybe Chris Smith, another "friendly", will put his hand up?

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Re: Chance to quiz the ringmaster

Post by Cadillacjak » Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:12 pm

I've come to this late.
Just been alerted to this by the media report in the Fin Review and the email sent out this morning in reply.
I have been concerned with the media face of CPA Aus, being Malley, for over a year now.
Whenever he appears on Nine there is no branding of CPA Aus other than his mug.
The bland interviews have no accounting/financial focus. They are just a weak and sometimes embarrassing walk through the interviewee's life events. Rubbish.
Does anyone know how much this broadcast costs? Does CPA Aus fund any of it?
Does the governance board vet the content that our brand is associated with?
He is promoting himself as a journalist while we suckers pay his bloated salary. This must stop asap!
I'm amazed that it has taken a few dedicated members to reveal this. It's almost too late to repair the damage done to the brand.
I'm disgusted frankly!
I'm a member of 40 years and am appalled that my professional colleagues are now tainted with this grime.
Putting aside those complicit at the top, we also need to protect our loyal and valuable CPA Aus staff very quickly before the best talent deserts this meandering ship of shame. Who's doing this right now?
To mitigate this stinking risk, someone of great merit needs to be appointed this week to take control.
Maybe an Administrator needs to be appointed to right the ship.
Malley must fall on his sword today!
So dismayed and upset.

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Re: Chance to quiz the ringmaster

Post by The Nude CPA » Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:08 pm

Cadillacjak wrote:
Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:12 pm
Does CPA Aus fund any of it?
CPA Australia funds ALL OF IT!

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Re: Chance to quiz the ringmaster

Post by BK722 » Fri Jun 09, 2017 3:40 pm

" Putting aside those complicit at the top, we also need to protect our loyal and valuable CPA Aus staff very quickly before the best talent deserts this meandering ship of shame. Who's doing this right now?"

Thank you for this. As an ex staff member, there needs to be some reassurance that jobs (other than the UnHoly Trinity and their sycophants) are safe, especially for those that have been brave enough to stay with this organisation for the members' sake. Many, like me, have been driven out because of the nasty and unhealthy environment where the emphasis is on the bottom line ie $$$ rather than the Members' needs and service. When the aspiration to be the "World's best Member Service organisation" was introduced, I wondered how this would be assessed...it is such a subjective term. Seems it was always more about the $$ and not providing relevant, affordable CPD or true service.

Also, please DON'T abuse the 1300 front line staff when you call...most of them are short term contractors who are told not to escalate complaints to management! Contact your local GM or the Divisional Council members.

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Re: Chance to quiz the ringmaster

Post by GenYCPA » Fri Jun 09, 2017 3:53 pm

I absolutely agree with this sentiment. I have always had very positive interactions with CPA Australia staff and I hope they recognise that the complaints being raised are with the leadership team. Even with blanket gag rules I have sensed the discomfort of a number of current staff members.

Contact details are available (even if a little hard to find) to raise concerns directly with divisional councillors (who can put pressure on the board) and divisional general managers (who can escalate to the executive).
Robert McDowall CPA | Partner | Arabon Accountants
CPA Australia Queensland Divisional Councillor

https://www.linkedin.com/in/robert-mcdowall/
Join the conversation on the CPA Members Group on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/groups/103561

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Re: Chance to quiz the ringmaster

Post by Better Call Saul » Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:24 am

Sorry GenYCPA, Divisional Councillors don't put pressure on the board. Divisional general managers don't do anything.
We need to understand the model is broken so we can fix it.
If you send me some names and numbers I will ring them, have a coffee and find out what they are doing to help members pretty quick.

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Re: Chance to quiz the ringmaster

Post by theallseeingeye » Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:34 am

Better Call Saul wrote:
Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:24 am
Sorry GenYCPA, Divisional Councillors don't put pressure on the board. Divisional general managers don't do anything.
....
Not completely true - I know one GM who has personally raised concerns with one of the holy triumverate. The response was "the Board's view is that this will all blow over". :lol:

Not sure what more we could expect of a GM; I imagine they sign NDA's when they join , and the prospect of getting your ass sued by CPA Australia for going public is a bit of a barrier....

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Re: Chance to quiz the ringmaster

Post by The Nude CPA » Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:30 pm

theallseeingeye wrote:
Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:34 am
Better Call Saul wrote:
Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:24 am
Sorry GenYCPA, Divisional Councillors don't put pressure on the board. Divisional general managers don't do anything.
....
The response was "the Board's view is that this will all blow over". :lol:
Yeah, nah.

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Re: Chance to quiz the ringmaster

Post by Stomper » Sun Jun 11, 2017 1:40 pm

The Nude CPA wrote:
Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:30 pm
theallseeingeye wrote:
Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:34 am
Better Call Saul wrote:
Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:24 am
Sorry GenYCPA, Divisional Councillors don't put pressure on the board. Divisional general managers don't do anything.
....
The response was "the Board's view is that this will all blow over". :lol:
Yeah, nah.
Not a chance this will blow over - the anger in the CPA community is boiling over.

They have to go!

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Re: Chance to quiz the ringmaster

Post by The Nude CPA » Sun Jun 11, 2017 3:21 pm

Stomper wrote:
Sun Jun 11, 2017 1:40 pm
Not a chance this will blow over - the anger in the CPA community is boiling over.

They have to go!
Indeed; I've noticed a very big uptick in CPAs, and even outside observers, speaking out against this whole debacle on LinkedIn.

There's a snowball rolling towards "the leadership" and it's getting bigger very quickly...

We need a clean slate in order to repair the damage done.

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Re: Chance to quiz the ringmaster

Post by Stomper » Sun Jun 11, 2017 3:28 pm

Yes, trust has been broken - they all have to go!

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Re: Chance to quiz the ringmaster

Post by Wendy Shelton » Sun Jun 11, 2017 6:26 pm

The Cyclist wrote:
Tue May 23, 2017 9:24 pm
The Cyclist wrote:
Wed May 03, 2017 9:03 am
Re: Chance to quiz the ringmaster
An audience member asked him given his criticism of risk what where the plans for continuing the branding of the organization given so much was wrapped up in him as an individual. Now this is where it gets strange- his response was that CPAA owns the copyright to his image
Has anyone asked CPA Australia or the auditors about payments for the copyright of Alex's image? The Cyclist, you asked in your post but did you take it any further?

I've looked in the notes to the financial statements under Related Parties for the past 4 years and there is no reference to payments to Alex. The book was published in 2014 so if there were any, I would have expected to see them appear that year.

In 2013 Intangibles grew by 51% or $7million to $20.7million so it may be in there somewhere but the discussion of the results on p.71 says "Intangible assets are higher than 2012 by $7m which has resulted from our investment in the final phase of our core business systems upgrade including our membership CRM, multi-currency gateway and new corporate website, which was completed during 2013. Intangible assets were previously classified as property, plant and equipment in 2012."

I think this is worth following up on in the interests of transparency. I wonder if the copyright relates to a specific image or any image? I haven't noticed any photographs of Alex with the (C) icon noting it is copyrighted.

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Re: Chance to quiz the ringmaster

Post by Heisenberg » Sun Jun 11, 2017 8:04 pm

Wendy Shelton wrote:
Sun Jun 11, 2017 6:26 pm
The Cyclist wrote:
Tue May 23, 2017 9:24 pm
The Cyclist wrote:
Wed May 03, 2017 9:03 am
Re: Chance to quiz the ringmaster
An audience member asked him given his criticism of risk what where the plans for continuing the branding of the organization given so much was wrapped up in him as an individual. Now this is where it gets strange- his response was that CPAA owns the copyright to his image
Has anyone asked CPA Australia or the auditors about payments for the copyright of Alex's image? The Cyclist, you asked in your post but did you take it any further?

I've looked in the notes to the financial statements under Related Parties for the past 4 years and there is no reference to payments to Alex. The book was published in 2014 so if there were any, I would have expected to see them appear that year.

In 2013 Intangibles grew by 51% or $7million to $20.7million so it may be in there somewhere but the discussion of the results on p.71 says "Intangible assets are higher than 2012 by $7m which has resulted from our investment in the final phase of our core business systems upgrade including our membership CRM, multi-currency gateway and new corporate website, which was completed during 2013. Intangible assets were previously classified as property, plant and equipment in 2012."

I think this is worth following up on in the interests of transparency. I wonder if the copyright relates to a specific image or any image? I haven't noticed any photographs of Alex with the (C) icon noting it is copyrighted.
https://search.ipaustralia.gov.au/trade ... +australia

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Re: Chance to quiz the ringmaster

Post by JWheldon » Sun Jun 11, 2017 11:26 pm

In 2016 AGM speach of President Graeme Wade, he stated "For the avoidance of any doubt, the book was written by the CEO in his own time. All intellectual property is owned by CPA Australia and all royalties are earned go back to the business and the Naked CEO project to continually enhance our capabilities to engage with young leaders and our future members. The CEO has not and will not earn any remuneration from the book" Mr Wade indicated at the AGM that CPA Australia owns Alex's image.

The statement by Mr Wade, may not necessarily be the whole truth about the cost of this deal with Alex Malley. As one great lawyer once said, its all in the contract and its all in the small print. Alex Malley may have signed away the intellectual property to this so called book and his image for a remuneration to be covered within his base CEO package of $1.3 million, with other possible conditions which would not have left Alex Malley out of pocket, or without other avenues or rights should either CPA Australia terminate the use of the book or possibly terminate his position.

To really determine the cost of this so called Naked CEO deal, the contracts would need to be made available for review by the membership of CPA Australia, which is very unlikely.

Graeme Wade in his 2016 speech, "We're working smarter to maximize the 'bang' we get for each 'buck'" This is certainly not true as shown by the wild spending in CPA Australia Advice and huge remuneration paid to the board and management team.

Graeme Wade in his 2016 speech " In delivering on these Board mandates, we enjoy the services of a CEO who has special media talents. Alex is an accomplished media performer. He deftly and expertly represents our brand on everything from the 7.30 Report to radio 5MU Murray Bridge - and every shape and from of media outlet in between." Alex Malley has shown an inability to answer the tough questions, as displayed in his ABC interview on the show "The Business". Alex has indicated that he would rather talk to the young members, read from a set script on Channel Nine, then talk to the old members. Maybe because the old members ask real tough questions about accounting and financial dealings and good governance, Corporation Law and other issues which Alex Malley is unable to answer. Alex Malley likes to talk about having a conversation and his program "In Conversation with Alex Malley", yet when the actual accountants of CPA Australia and the member of CPA Australia Advice want to have a "In Conversation with Alex Malley", he is too busy or not able to do this. Alex Malley is a "Gruen Transfer" advertising idea, which seems to have gone horribly wrong or backfired.

Graeme Wade in his 2016 speech " As a result, the Board charged Alex and his management team with personalising the brand and broadening the audience. It's about securing our relevance in a highly competitive marketplace, presenting us as the global accounting body of choice and communicating the vale of CPAs to business and the community. We are ensuring people know what CPA's do and who CPA Australia is. Execution of this Board strategy is a requirement for the management team. The objective is to develop leadership positioning for the brand to benefit members - and future members." This statement has not be achieved, as the none of the commercials, nor the advertising would lead the general public to understate what a CPA is, nor what a CPA can do, nor increase the public's confidence in the CPA brand. The so called marketing strategy it is drowned out by the TV, billboards, etc of a an individual who does not lead, or build confidence of what a CPA is or can do. The whole accounting profession is totally let down by Alex Malley. There are alot of great accountants that work in many different industries, undertaking many varied jobs and duties, each with specialist knowledge and skills which can enhance the public/private business, not-for profit organisation, or government sector to which they are engaged. Unfortunately Graeme Wade and the board and Alex Malley decided to provide the membership with a sales pitch, which just totally fails.

Graeme Wade in his 2016 speech "CPA Australia Advice is a wholly owned subsidiary of CPA Australia. It will operate on a transparent, fee-for-service basis and will be underpinned by the same culture and professional standards that are the cornerstone of CPA Australia, independence, transparency, integrity, compliance and continuous learning." Will this is certainly not taking place at CPA Australia Advice, as shown by the bad financial accounts, which the board did not want the members to see and the way that Graeme Wade and the other board members and management team decided to remunerate themselves and run the business at a huge loss, using the funds of the members. This speech should show ASIC how the board has breached its responsibility, it duties to the members under the corporations act.

Graeme Wade in his 2016 speech " Acting in the public interest is both an obligation for professional accountants and enshrined as the key element of the corporate plan of CPA Australia." Well Mr Wade, neither you nor the other members of the board have been acting in the best interest of the members as professional accountants which you have stated is enshrined as the key element of the corporate plan of CPA Australia.

Graeme Wade in his 2016 speech " Last year was also notable for the way in which, we decisively stood up for the integrity of our designation in the face of what we considered to be unwarranted, unacceptable and unjustified attacks from a competitor" This was certainly a total waste of members money, but l suppose its not your money so lets sue everyone that has a different view to Alex Malley, Graeme Wade etc. You have indicated that you want to sue Joe Aston, you have sued the Institute of Chartered Accountants and also want to sue the members for having a different view to the board and Alex Malley. At this rate is there no one that you will not sue? There was a time back in the late 80s and early 90s that CPA was going to merge with ICAA (institute of Chartered Accountants Australia), but the sticking point was the education regime. We are all accountants, and the view of the ICAA may be valid, but CPA would rather sue first then try to look at the problems and try to fix it. Nearly twenty years have passed since the idea of the merger of CPA with ICAA, but has the CPA course improved to a standard that ICAA would consider satisfactory with the PY (Professional Year). The answer would probably be a clear no. So why not try to work with ICAA and build a course which both organisations can be happy with, and therefore the issued raised by the President of ICAA will be no more. Lets not forget that there are probably more members of the ICAA , that have done the PY, with CPA membership, than members who have completed the CPA program and are currently working for CPA Australia.


If the board is going to move forward it must stop thinking that the professional accountants who are members of CPA Australia and members of CPA Australia Advice, are just a means to their own personal objectives. They need to show real leadership and stop the waste, stop the greed and remove the individuals who have destroyed the many years of hard work by all the volunteers, the discussion group chairpersons, the past presidents etc who really work dam hard to build the CPA brand with the CPA's of tomorrow. Alex Malley has certainly not displayed what a CPA should do nor displayed to the youth what a CPA is.

We are all professional accountants after all, and we all need to work together to build a better CPA.
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Re: Chance to quiz the ringmaster

Post by Wendy Shelton » Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:39 pm

Heisenberg wrote:
Sun Jun 11, 2017 8:04 pm
Wendy Shelton wrote:
Sun Jun 11, 2017 6:26 pm
The Cyclist wrote:
Tue May 23, 2017 9:24 pm


An audience member asked him given his criticism of risk what where the plans for continuing the branding of the organization given so much was wrapped up in him as an individual. Now this is where it gets strange- his response was that CPAA owns the copyright to his image
Has anyone asked CPA Australia or the auditors about payments for the copyright of Alex's image? The Cyclist, you asked in your post but did you take it any further?

I've looked in the notes to the financial statements under Related Parties for the past 4 years and there is no reference to payments to Alex. The book was published in 2014 so if there were any, I would have expected to see them appear that year.

In 2013 Intangibles grew by 51% or $7million to $20.7million so it may be in there somewhere but the discussion of the results on p.71 says "Intangible assets are higher than 2012 by $7m which has resulted from our investment in the final phase of our core business systems upgrade including our membership CRM, multi-currency gateway and new corporate website, which was completed during 2013. Intangible assets were previously classified as property, plant and equipment in 2012."

I think this is worth following up on in the interests of transparency. I wonder if the copyright relates to a specific image or any image? I haven't noticed any photographs of Alex with the (C) icon noting it is copyrighted.
https://search.ipaustralia.gov.au/trade ... +australia
Thanks Heisenberg. So the only image that is copyrighted other than crests etc. is the one of The Naked CEO book cover where there is no person present. Perhaps The Cyclist misheard what Alex was saying ...

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Re: Chance to quiz the ringmaster

Post by Steviewonder » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:21 pm

When all these "leaders" leave or are pushed, will they have their post nominals taken away too? I would think that the shame they have bought to the CPA branding would warrant a disciplinary stripping of any CPA related credentials.

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