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What is the APESB response?

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David Dahm

What is the APESB response?

Post by David Dahm » Sat May 06, 2017 11:55 am

What is the APESB response? They are responsible for maintaining the integrity of the professional bodies? 8-)

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Re: What is the APESB response?

Post by Sunkcost » Sat May 06, 2017 10:17 pm

They are funded by CPA

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Re: What is the APESB response?

Post by FCA » Sun May 07, 2017 4:16 pm

The last thing that they would want to do is bite the hand that feeds them!

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Re: What is the APESB response?

Post by David Dahm » Tue May 09, 2017 8:41 pm

The ICA and IPA also fund this embarrassment. The APSEB does nothing then the APSEB will lose its influence over government. I know a couple of the Board members and will call and find out what if anything can be done. If they do nothing then the international body will need to look into the APSEB. This may be the next point of call.

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Re: What is the APESB response?

Post by nakedadmin » Tue May 09, 2017 8:57 pm

Thanks David. I suspect they will say it is not their role. But see what they say. From what I can see they just make the ethical standards and don't enforce them. The standards apply to members and not to the associations. So who is supposed to investigate the complaint about a member if that member is a senior executive or Director of an accounting association. For example directing the removal of Find A CPA and directing staff to tell members it's a technical fault, removing discussions from Linked In that were critical of organisation governance, but that did not breach rules, then telling everyone those conversations did breach the rules. These are serious issues that should be investigated, so who is going to investigate?

There is a rule in TASA that the management is accountable to the members. And I think TPB may have let us down a bit there. There is an FOI request currently with TPB to find out how they determined this.
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Re: What is the APESB response?

Post by David Dahm » Sun May 28, 2017 1:23 pm

You are correct nakedadmin - they said it is not their role. Your assessment is correct. The only other options is to advise the tax agent board that the membership governance is in question which is casting a doubt on all of its members.

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Re: What is the APESB response?

Post by The Nude CPA » Tue May 30, 2017 2:11 pm

What's the point of the APESB if no one enforces anything?

Another waste of members' funds, I guess...

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Re: What is the APESB response?

Post by nakedadmin » Tue May 30, 2017 9:41 pm

One of our members FOI'd the TPB for CPA Australia's application to be a Tax Agent Association. There is a requirement in the regulations that management must be accountable to the members. This is the section of the CPAA applcation:
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The application was in May 2010 so the reference to the annual report should be 2009. Also the Representative Council was established at that time.

There was no documentation of TPB assessment against this criteria.

There was no request from TPB to CPAA to elaborate.

TPB was unable to produce any internal policies on how they assess this criteria.

The only thing TPB was able to point to was a thing on their website which states what documents the association should provide with their application. There was absolutely no information provided by TPB relating to how they assess such documentation. It was covered by the FOI.

I am thinking that the TPB needs to put out an exposure draft on how they assess the associations. Then after they have established an objective way of doing that (re)assess CPAA and probably all the others.

Thoughts?
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Re: What is the APESB response?

Post by deaneus » Tue May 30, 2017 10:54 pm

A great idea, and well done - only that will take time to accomplish. I'd guess a year at least.

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Re: What is the APESB response?

Post by JWheldon » Tue May 30, 2017 11:13 pm

Members should ask questions of the APESB with regards to the accounting standards and see what response you get from them. If you ask them a question about the standards which they issue, they then tell you to contact your professional association. Great help......, great value for the thousands of dollars invested?

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